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Stein offers voters her New Deal plan

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Dr. Jill Stein laid out her vision for turning the White House green to a group of about 30 people in Albany on Saturday night. The 62-year-old Harvard-educated medical doctor, who lives in Massachusetts, is the Green Party nominee for president. Speaking at the First Unitarian Universalist Church in Albany, she predicts her campaign will ride the wave of change sweeping the country. Her key argument was that a vote for the two major party ...


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wmarincic
October 14, 2012
6:28 a.m.

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Support from occupy movements says it all.

ThePhilistine
October 14, 2012
9:16 a.m.

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wow a group of 30!!! she might pull it off. how is this nonsense news, read her "bill or rights" its even dumber than this article.

gazettereader
October 14, 2012
1:07 p.m.

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wmarincic- just like support from racists says it all about Romney? ThePhilistine - I'm one of hundreds of local Jill Stein supporters who didn't hear about this last-minute stop until after it happened. Did you see any articles about it in advance? I didn't. I bet if one of the leading two candidates came to town but the press didn't let anyone know, their numbers wouldn't be much bigger.

ThePhilistine
October 14, 2012
3:52 p.m.

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Ohhhh so its the fault of "the press", not the fact her ideas suck. Have fun in your bubble gazettereader.

For the rest of you read on to see her "new deal" ( i had to cut it down google it for full text. It basically says "Dont worry we are the government we are here to help"

I - THE ECONOMIC BILL OF RIGHTS

1. The right to employment through a Full Employment Program that will create 25 million jobs
2. Worker’s rights including the right to a living wage, to a safe workplace, to fair trade, and to organize a union at work without fear of firing

4. The right to a tuition-free, quality, federally funded, local controlled public education system from pre-school through college. We will also forgive student loan debt from the current era of unaffordable college education.

5. The right to decent affordable housing, including an immediate halt to all foreclosures and evictions.

II - A GREEN TRANSITION

2. Prioritize green research by redirecting research funds from fossil fuels and other dead-end industries toward research in wind, solar and

• celebrate our democratic aspirations by making Election Day a national holiday;

• restore the vote to ex-offenders who’ve paid their debt to society;

8. Rein in the military-industrial complex by

• reducing military spending by 50% and closing U.S. military bases around the world;

• creating a new round of nuclear disarmament

http://www.jillstein.org/green_new_deal

Will1960
October 14, 2012
5:59 p.m.

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Thephilistine,

The media wants to retain the status quo since the two major parties will continue to flood the airwaves with negative messages against each other which translates into millions of dollars in revenue for the media's coffers. Also, I am disgusted that the voters are only given a choice between Romney and Obama. I will vote for neither. And yes, it's the responsibilty of the media to cover presidential candidates when they come to town. You may like this two party dictatorship of the Republicrats, but this country desparately needs a real alternative to these clowns both of whom are merely pupppets for corporate America.

raindog
October 14, 2012
10:56 p.m.

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It's not hard to corroborate that Stein's appearance was never mentioned in any Gazette e-mail editions before it happened, only after, regardless of what one might copy and paste to try to provoke an ideological argument.

ThePhilistine
October 15, 2012
1:01 a.m.

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Point is the media and or Jill will never solve any issue we have today and they are both a joke. These two are the real clowns.

dan
October 15, 2012
2:28 a.m.

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I'm a casual Stein supporter (more than Obama and certainly more than Romney) who actually never got a chance to read the The Green New Deal until ThePhilistine just posted it. That actually sounds amazing and feasible and it would drastically change the country for the better. I have no idea why anyone would be against that.

ThePhilistine
October 15, 2012
10:38 a.m.

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Jills plan, Big brother would get to be all grown up and assume full power and our weak military would make us a bigger slower target inviting attacks and civilian deaths. The Feds can not and should not have as much power as she wants them to have.

dan
October 15, 2012
4:24 p.m.

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I'm not sure what you mean by "weak military". We spend more money on the military by far than any other country. In fact, we spend almost as much as every single other country combined. How about this- if we spend twice the money on our military as the #2 nation (China) does, that will leave us a super-strong military, and give us an extra $420 billion or so to spend on things that would better our nation (free education for everyone, free healthcare for everyone, tax cuts for everyone), it's a great plan.

As far as attacks, are you saying most countries (that spend less than 1% of what we do on the military) are under constant attack because of their "weak" military? I haven't heard anything about that. In fact, history has shown, that the bigger your military is, the more likely terrorists are to attack you.

I'm not sure how, when she's advocating for things like workers' rights, and making it easier for everyone to vote, that it can be interpreted as the federal government having "too much power". Can you explain that?

ThePhilistine
October 15, 2012
5:11 p.m.

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She wants to close bases and cut the military budget by 50% is what I mean by weak military. As for the other countries you speak of they do not have the enemies or treasure that we have. We are a target to many as of right now. These little guys you bring up who spend less then 1% are not.

ThePhilistine
October 15, 2012
5:27 p.m.

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If you cant understand how federally mandated programs where big brother will "make sure" everything is safe and happy at work in the home at the bank and at the doctors office is power I dont know how to explain it. Think of fed funds to schools, fed says do what we say or no more funds. Now apply this to all education, doctors visits, your job, your bank your, your house and more. Feds would be saying do what we say or your moving, put your money in our bank or we take it, go to school and learn the lessons we see fit, make sure you dont mess up at work or you will end up in a work camp to make sure your right to employment is being exercised. Commit any violations or petty crimes in any of these places and it would be a federal offense. All the locals who get the fed funds and know how to spend it locally are now federal agents who would surly quickly become corrupt. Too much power.

dan
October 15, 2012
8:18 p.m.

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When our military is 1,000 times stronger than the average nation, cutting it back so it's 500 times stronger than the average nation is not a weak military. Even at 50%, our military will still be ridiculous strong. What is this treasure that we have that you speak of? Do you think our attackers are trying to get into Fort Knox? I'm not sure where you're getting "big brother" or "everything is safe and happy" from. Neither of those phrases are mentioned anywhere in the green deal, so I'm really not sure what you're talking about. I don't see anything about kicking people out of the country either. Or work camps. I think you read something else.

ThePhilistine
October 15, 2012
11:28 p.m.

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nope reread her plan then my statements. her plan would put the fed government in charge of every part of our lives and they would be deciding whats best for us, thats why i say big brother. And the treasure is our nation our natural resources our technology the people who live here and so on so I guess fort knox is part of it yes. As for the 1000 times stronger then the average thats not a real number and for long term survival we need to be 1000 times stronger then the next closest contender. In this world there will always be someone else trying to catch up to the best and over take them therefore we could never be too strong. Think about it dude!

dan
October 16, 2012
4:42 a.m.

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Where in her plan does it say what time I should go to bed? Or what color shirt I should wear? I can't help but feel when you say "her plan would put the fed government in charge of every part of our lives", it's a gross and misleading exaggeration. When is the last time we were attacked for our natural resources? Not in my lifetime. That fear seems more like paranoia. Thousands more Americans die from lack of proper healthcare every year, than die from enemy attacks. If we were really concerned about American lives, we'd take the money out of the military, and put it into healthcare. And guess what... a lot of countries already caught up and passed the US. We're seventh in literacy, 27th in math, and 22nd in science. Because we took money out of science and education and put it into the military. We need to put it back. We're 49th in life expectancy and 178th in infant mortality. Because we took the money out of healthcare and put it into the military. We need to put it back. Our country is falling fast, and the biggest reason we're wasting on military instead of the public who needs it. I'm not saying that we should cut our military so much that we're no longer number one there (though I'm not against that either), but we shouldn't be spending more on military than education. An educated society is a safe society.

ThePhilistine
October 16, 2012
10:50 a.m.

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I think we will just have to agree to disagree, but I will try one more time. Do you trust the government now and are you happy with their use of the powers they already have? If not why would you want them to take over all the items in the green new deal?

dan
October 16, 2012
3:12 p.m.

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Yes, I trust the FDA to make sure the food I buy is safe, for example. There are a lot of powers the government currently has, that it's not doing a very good job with, that the green new deal promises to fix. Not really get new powers, but rather use those powers more responsibly. I'm wondering - can you name one or two specific powers in the green new deal that you disagree with?

Will1960
October 16, 2012
4:56 p.m.

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Philistine,

Just curious since you're railing that the government has too much power, I wonder if you hold the government accountable for the manner in which they have legislated and enforced our drug policy. This policy is the sole reason America holds the title of the world's leading jailer. Are you okay with the government determining which substance its citizens may or may not ingest? That's a true indictment against one's freedom. Who owns our bodies? Evidently a government Nanny state that's been pervasive the last 40 years with its enforcement of the drug war. You don't have a problem with that?

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