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Don’t be in such a rush to abandon state pension plan Your Feb. 22 editorial [“Pension Fund’s real problem”] was a disservice to working-class New Yorkers and beneath your normally high standards. The editorial called for switching the state’s pension fund “from the traditional defined-benefit plan to a 401(k)-style defined-contribution plan.” Your justification for this radical change noted that pension obligations have been going up and that the only way to pay for it was ...


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muggy
February 28, 2013
6:07 a.m.

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Stephen. There's one person in the MSM that isn't hiding the truth. That's Watergate's Bob Woodward who is now being threatened by the Obama Administration. Someone from the White House emailed Woodward yesterday telling him, "you will regret doing this." I guess "doing this" is code for telling the truth about who came up with the idea of sequestration, which Woodward says was Obama himself. Do you think this is the only instance of the White House threatening reporters? Let the unraveling of this administration's bullying tactics begin.

stockadian
February 28, 2013
1:05 p.m.

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Muggy. It is a shame that you have so misrepresented the facts over the Bob Woodward story. No he was not threatened. If you would simply read the actually email exchanges, you would see that there was no threat and Mr. Woodward, who is a fine journalist also says there was none. Why those on the right, who will do anything at all, even create falsehoods to discredit the White House do so, is way beyond me.

Here are the actual quotes from the emails:
From Sperling to Woodward.....I apologize for raising my voice in our conversation today. My bad.......I do truly believe you should rethink your comment about saying saying that Potus asking for revenues is moving the goal post. I know you may not believe this, but as a friend, I think you will regret staking out that claim. The idea that the sequester was to force both sides to go back to try at a big or grand barain with a mix of entitlements and revenues

From Woodward to Sperling:You do not ever have to apologize to me. You get wound up because you are making your points and you believe them. This is all part of a serious discussion. I for one welcome a little heat; there should more given the importance. I also welcome your personal advice. I am listening. I know you lived all this. My partial advantage is that I talked extensively with all involved. I am traveling and will try to reach you after 3 pm today. Best, Bob

What does the RIGHT WING do with that? Call it a treat? Even though Mr. Woodword says he welcomes Mr. Sperling's advice? Amazing what has happened to intelligence in this country. Learn to read the facts before telling us what you think happened, Muggy.

albright1
February 28, 2013
2:49 p.m.

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Stockadian, why don't you offer some substantiative comments instead of trying to belittle people because of the spelling or punctuation, etc. The Whitehouse released those emails to the Politico website at 8:30 am this morning. Mr. Muggy posted his comment at 6:07 am. Mr. Muggy based his comments on what Bob Woodward actual said. You owe Mr. Muggy an apology.

stockadian
February 28, 2013
3 p.m.

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Albright1, If Muggy can quote for me (real quotes, and sources) where Bob Woodward stated he had been "threatened" and is now retracting his words about being threatened, by publishing the actual emails, I will issue an apology to Muggy. But it is more likely that Muggy, like others on the right, jumped on the band wagon to use any little tidbit to find criticism of the White House before all the facts were in. If that is indeed the case, Muggy owes the readers of these letters an apology.

albright1
February 28, 2013
3:14 p.m.

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OK here you go on your favorite channel no less....http://thehill.com/video/administration/285423-woodward-claims-white-house-threatened-him

Quick, go listen, then come back and apologize because I'm sure study hall is almost over and the buses are waiting out front of the school

wmarincic
February 28, 2013
5:37 p.m.

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The short bus no less.

stockadian
February 28, 2013
7:16 p.m.

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Really grow weary of people like you, Albright, and your lap dogs, Wmaarincic, and Muggy changing words, reports, misquoting others, etc. along with the name calling. But thank you for the source, by the way. No where in your source does Bob Woodward use the word "threatened" as does Muggy. He says the words that later the emails confirm….that he would regret doing this. The emails then explain what he meant. The quote from the email is "I know you may not believe this, but as a friend, I think you will regret staking out that claim." And how did Woodward's email answer that? "I also welcome your personal advice" Now show me where there is a THREAT there, or even in the source you have sent me to prove that I owe Muggy an apology.

Grow up. Your little network of attack dogs need to learn to use sources to your advantage and stop acting like middle school children.

stockadian
February 28, 2013
7:46 p.m.

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By the wmarancic, your use of the phrase, "the short bus" is not veiled enough. You should be ashamed!

Phils2008
March 1, 2013
5:48 a.m.

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Woodward “repeated the last sentence, making clear he saw it as a veiled threat. “ ‘You’ll regret.’ Come on,” he said. “I think if Obama himself saw the way they’re dealing with some of this, he would say, ‘Whoa, we don’t tell any reporter ‘you’re going to regret challenging us.’” The only one here misrepresenting anything is Stockadian. If Woodward had not thought it was a threat, there would be no story. Again for the sake of left wing politics, Stockadian chooses to ignore simple common sense. The only thing we can all disagree with Woodward on, is the part about "Buma saying whoa!

wmarincic
March 1, 2013
7:25 a.m.
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wmarincic
March 1, 2013
10:26 a.m.

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Really Gazette you deleted that and yet posted a letter calling a contributor names? Give me a break.

wmarincic
March 1, 2013
10:30 a.m.

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So Gazette let me know where to draw the line. Stockadian above can call me a lapdog and that is acceptable but I can't say that he is uneducated? Is that the line or is there a diferent line for conservatives and liberals?

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