High enrollment blamed for Mont Pleasant woes

Official hopes to make parents part of solution to Mont Pleasant violence

Wednesday, October 16, 2013
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Mont Pleasant Middle School students leave school at dismissal Wednesday.
Photographer: Peter R. Barber
Mont Pleasant Middle School students leave school at dismissal Wednesday.

— The problems at Mont Pleasant are partly due to the school having too many students, Superintendent Laurence Spring said.

Students from Mont Pleasant and Oneida Middle School were merged into one building last year. There are more than 730 students there now, up from 550 two years ago.

Spring briefed the Board of Education on the situation at Wednesday’s board meeting. It highlights the need for several smaller middle schools, he said.

Residents will be asked to vote in January on a referendum to renovate Oneida as a middle school. It was closed at the end of the 2011-12 school year to save money, but when those children were moved to Mont Pleasant, problems began, Spring said.

Spring has increased staffing at the school now, and those administrators will remain until at least December, he said.

At that point, school officials will re-evaluate the school and determine what staffing is needed.

He has also called in experts to help him understand why groups of 100 students are flocking to street fights.

“Why is it these kids are congregating and enjoying something that seems a little out of the gladiator age?” he said. “Why would adults choose those activities themselves or encourage their children to choose those activities?”

He will meet with experts, parents and others at “a neutral site” to discuss the deeper issues.

He’s also holding one-on-one meetings with parents who “need a little assistance” in teaching their children to follow school rules. Some of those parents also may need to be persuaded that “these rules are a good idea,” he added.

But the district may not have the money to resolve one of the underlying issues: the fact that more than 730 students attend the school.

“It’s probably too big of a school,” Spring said. “We know last year we had some difficulties.”

Spring had hoped to avoid problems this year with better organization and teacher training. Teachers enforced the same rules with the same punishments, and at first it looked like it was working.

“In the month of September, we had a much-improved climate,” he said.

But police Chief Brian Kilcullen said police were called to the area “every day” since school began. Children organized fights after school that were attended by 100 or more students. At least two parents also got into a fight with each other.

Then children began misbehaving in school. Spring said it went far beyond back-talk.

“They’re going to walk down the hallway when they’re supposed to be in class and not stop when an adult says stop,” he said.

They told teachers, in essence, “If you’re going to stop me, it’s going to have to be physical,” Spring said.

Last week he suspended about 18 students, none of whom will be allowed back to Mont Pleasant. Spring said each student will need an individualized education plan, including mental health intervention.

Board President Cathy Lewis praised Spring and the school administrators for taking action immediately, “before this became so widely known.”

Board member Andrew Chestnut added that he’s pleased Spring wants to figure out the underlying problems.

“What I’m encouraged about is that we have somehow managed to resist the ‘hang ’em high’ strategy,” Chestnut said. “If we want behaviors to shift, it’s important we understand them.”

But he said the situation must be fixed.

“The creative energy around education can’t happen when people are afraid,” he said.

In other news, Spring announced that the district is nearly finished with a complaint against the state, which will be filed with the federal Office for Civil Rights.

“We’re filing a civil rights complaint against the state because we get $62 million less than the aid New York State’s own formula prescribes,” he said.

The paperwork is essentially complete, and soon Spring will look for residents to sign it as complainants. He wants to find parents with children who are not getting the services they need because the district can’t afford them. He also wants to find residents who are overburdened by school taxes.

In addition to needing more money for mental health services and reading programs, he said the district needs to reduce taxes.

The issue affects the city’s entire economy, he said, citing foreclosures and costs to businesses.

“It is not just a school issue,” he said.

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October 16, 2013
11:08 p.m.
airedale1950 says...

Did anybody at the board of education, and city government do the math...or did they all attend city schools and fail miserably at arithmetic? A roughly 29% increase in enrollment would not cause any noticeable difficulties...not to mention that a large percentage of the new students would be from neighborhoods different than those traditionally attending Mont Pleasant? Anyone remember the old Linton Mont Pleasant rivalries? Anyone remember the turmoil experienced the first year of the Linton-Mt. Pleasant merger? What are we paying these officials for? We have their salaries, the cost of increased Police presence, the cost of training and hiring new help to replace the staff running for their lives away from the Middle School...and the cost to the welfare system when we have to pay for medical treatment when the little idiots and their "parents" finish beating themselves bloody.Did anyone seriously think this through?
How much did the Board of education really save the city by combining the two middle schools?
Wait until people start dumping their homes in the city, so their children can go to decent schools. Tax revenue will suffer. Wait till the homeowners find out the homes they own in the city are worth far less than they thought because nobody will want to buy a house in Schenectady because the schools are so terrible. Tax revenue will suffer even more. Less tax money means less money to throw at the education 'problem' so a horrific education mess guessed it. A whole lot worse.

October 17, 2013
8:12 a.m.
Rob1986 says...

Why don't we just combine all the Schenectady city schools into one big prison.

October 17, 2013
10:07 a.m.
hodgkins.t says...

Cathy Lewis and Ann Reiley championed the policy to dramatically increase enrollment at Central Park and Mt. Pleasant in order to save a few pennies for their senior citizen constituents. SCOPE's dividends -increased crime, increased failure rates, long term increases in taxpayer costs should shame them into resignation, but instead they take pride in gutting the schools.

The kids clearly know that Schenectady, as well as the rest of society, does not care about them.

If we did care about urban kids then school would not start at age 5, and then only last for 49% of the year, and for less than a third of each day.

October 18, 2013
10:29 a.m.
reader1 says...

Increased enrollment probably added to it, but, that in and of itself does not made kids fight.

If these kids really wanted to test their fighting ability there are some great venues for that - Schenectady Youth Boxing, Journeymen Wrestling Club. I'm sure Coach Kittle or Mr. Poplizio would welcome these alleged tough guys or gals with open arms. You want to prove how tough you are - visit one of those places, and if you stay with it - you'll be better for it, and you'll stay out of trouble.

October 18, 2013
3:59 p.m.

I'd rather concentrate on ongoing REAL Schenectady demographic issues than disproven straw dog theses designed to maintain a failed candidate's name in the public's eye.

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