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Letters to the Editor Wednesday, Jan. 5

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Investigate Trump’s inaction on Jan. 6

On Jan. 6, Donald Trump Jr. frantically and repeatedly texted Mark Meadows, the ex-president’s chief of staff, that he had to tell his father to take steps immediately to stop the deadly riot.
“We need an Oval Office address. He [ex-President Trump] has to lead now. It has gone too far and gotten out of hand. This shit has to stop ASAP,” he texted.
“I’m pushing it hard. I agree,” Meadows responded, who was also receiving messages from Fox News hosts Laura Ingraham and Brian Kilmeade — no raging liberals — urging the president to tell the rioters to go home.
To me, those texts reveal Trump knew what was happening, just like the rest of us watching TV that horrible day. Clearly, he turned a deaf ear to pleas that he needed to call off the angry mob he had egged on just hours earlier, or lives could be lost.
Even if he were watching reruns of “Gunsmoke,” he can’t escape the fact that he was begged by his own son and his staunchest supporters at Fox to call off the riot.
True, the former president finally got around to make a televised appearance — over three hours later — in which he urged the rioters to leave the Capitol and go home, adding, “We love you, you’re very special.”
That time lapse is evidence he committed a crime of omission that the Department of Justice needs to investigate right now, regardless of what the Jan. 6 Commission reports.
Fred Como
Burnt Hills

Former Nisky leader won’t be missed

Supervisor Yasmine Syed ranks last. Over my 32 years of service as Niskayuna Town Comptroller I had the opportunity to become very well acquainted with six supervisors.
I worked very closely and on a daily basis with all but Supervisor Syed. I initially had high hopes for her, as with each supervisor, and made every effort to help her succeed. Unfortunately, I never made the connection with her that I experienced with every other supervisor and felt very unappreciated.
I am uncertain if it was due to our differences in age, or perhaps that I held her to the same standards as pertains to town policies. I denied two of her reimbursement requests due to unallowable expenditures and required her to reduce her deputy’s weekly hours to his authorized maximum. Most likely my continual criticism to staff regarding her lack of involvement made its way back to her.
Yasmine was a good politician. However, she had great difficulty making decisions. She touted herself as having extensive budgeting experience but was seldom interested in working on the budget.
Without the “collaborative” effort of Councilwoman Denise McGraw, there would not have been an adopted budget in 2020.
The “4% challenge” in her 2021 budget was a complete farce. Yasmine let down department heads and residents and was criticized by the state Comptroller’s Office for putting forth such nonsense.
Once again, I have high hopes for our new supervisor-elect and am pleased that Yasmine will soon be a distant memory.
Paul Sebesta
Niskayuna

We must build back a better America

I feel the pandemic is escorting us into a new normal, that by coincidence is much more sustainable and healthier to our planet and our communities.
Some people see this change as a threat and will be kicking and screaming in denial of anything that they feel threatens their consumer addiction.
Currently, the Senate just passed a military spending bill worth $768 billion annually. That is four times the funding requested for the Build Back Better Bill and more military spending than the next 12 countries combined. Shouldn’t we be investing in the health and safety of our world with a Build Back Better investment and not continue to go down the road of militarized global resource exploitation?
The choice for me is easy. In the meantime, wear a mask.
Gary J. Lessard
Schenectady

The facts are facts, like them or not

Mr. Kenneth Truman’s Dec. 30 letter (“Paper needs more balanced coverage”) in The Daily Gazette leaves me mystified.
Mr. Truman’s message appears to perfectly embody the cultural/intellectual situation of our country today, post factual.
The letter would have us believe that everyone is entitled to not only his own opinions, but also to his own facts. When a newspaper claims that an event or its claimed consequence has been “debunked,” it does so only when it has the evidence to factually disprove the event’s cause or consequence; likewise, a news article only describes a theory as “unsupported” when it has factual evidence to that effect.
Apparently, the claim of the past guy’s press secretary that there is such a thing as an “alternative truth” is possible.
It is ironic, I feel, that the same people who in 2015 were opposed to political correctness want now to make any event or fact that runs against their personal interest politically correct by claiming it is an opinion. It isn’t true that there must be good people on both sides when those on one side are immoral according to the U.S. legal code and the Ten Commandments.
One would hope Mr. Truman’s letter is sarcasm, but in my opinion, the letter is clueless.
Fred Chambers
Fort Plain

Public has right to see Jan. 6 papers

It was not only with some shock, but absolute horror and outright disgust that I read an Associated Press report (“WH, Jan. 6 committee agree to shield some documents”) in the Dec. 29 Gazette that indicated President Biden has agreed not to release all of the Trump Administration documents sought by the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol.
The article stated that the Biden White House is “working with the committee to shield some documents from being turned over,” as such a release “could compromise national security and executive privilege.”
Wait; say what? Is President Biden perhaps complicit somehow in the Jan. 6 events?
Either the Trump Administration documents corroborate that the role played by Donald Trump and/or his supporters/associates etc. constitute indictable behavior(s), or they do not. There is no middle ground.
And if there is evidence of the Trump Administration’s collaboration or collusion with any of the individuals who stormed the nation’s Capitol that day, both the U.S. Congress and, more importantly, the American people deserve to know it, and those guilty need to be punished in accordance with applicable statutes.
After all, no one is above the law.
Or should I now remove my rose-colored glasses?
Paul Deierlein
Schenectady

Mask requirement is not terrorism

Joe Mastroianni of the Rotterdam Town Board does not understand the definition of “being terrorized” or “using force unnecessarily and excessively.” The simple, kind, generous and gentle act of wearing a mask to protect family, neighbors, friends, coworkers, strangers, the young, the old and even enemies from a dangerous disease is not terrorism.
What happened at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, is terrorism.
Ellen Frueh
Schenectady

 

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Well said Fred. It’s obvious to anyone with a single brain cell what an obvious dereliction of duty had occurred that day under Donald Trump’s watch. Even the folks at Fox News knew, despite their efforts to have their audience forget about it and excuse it away today. Sean Hannity’s latest revealed texts say it all about how concerned he was about what would occur on the day of January 6th. It is reason to never consider Donald Trump a potential presidential candidate ever again, and should lead to the firing, much like Chris Cuomo’s firing at CNN, to the termination of every host that texted Donald Trump or Mark Meadows that day.

Guy Varoma

Fred Chambers spot on letter. It basically boils down to these people who want “balanced coverage” want the newspapers to print the lies as if they were facts. These people should ask ..Why every reputable newspaper across the country print the news as it happened without embellishing the story..I’m not saying reputable newspapers don’t make mistakes when reporting , But they always admit their mistake with an explanation. I suspect most of these people watch Fox News or read online sites like “Revolver News”

Hannity and others at faux entertainment are caught red-handed. 45 claimed “mainstream media is the enemy of the people,” but it’s obvious that his favorite state run cable show is the true enemy.
Hannity was proudly on stage with 45, even a political advisor to the president, but millions view him as an “objective source” of “news.”
Fox is part of a cover-up…2 faced traitors who knew what was going on, yet misled and outright lied to their viewers.
I hope they end up like frogs in a boiling pot.

RAYMOND HARRIS

Fox decided decades ago to taint their news and commentary to favor the GOP and spread lies and misinformation because they can under the First Amendment. People who listen to them exclusively have been “taught” to hate the true, honest (though not perfect) media. My point is that they are not a new phenomenon that just appeared under Trump. I’m not sure if Hannity’s involvement in the Jan. 6 insurrection will impact Fox, but it should add evidence that Trump criminally failed to take action for over three hours which is a dereliction of duty and definitely unconstitutional for a president.

FRED BARNEY

Ghislaine Maxwell gets hammered and the girls parents get a pass. That is a fine example of what todays rulers find acceptable.

RAYMOND HARRIS

You should have stopped with the first sentence, though I have no idea if the parents have been held accountable in any way. Do you know? Also, who are “today’s rulers” that you are referring to?

FRED BARNEY

Democrats are in the awkward position some females are not old enough to consent to sex, but they are old enough to consent to an abortion.

Fred, females can consent to sex at young ages, just against the law for older boys to have sex with underage girls…see the difference?

OMG Fred, you have the most twisted thinking! Men preying on underage girls has NOTHING to do with abortion! Underaged girls having sex with boys around their age is not a crime. Statutory rape is a crime.

FRED BARNEY

You missed the point; If a female can choose to have an abortion, I fail to see why she cannot choose her own sexual partner.

FRED BARNEY

Why stop at the first sentence? Do you really think that parents should not be held accountable for their failure to protect their children?

LOUIS RESTIFO

Does that also apply to your parents being derelict in their duty to make you the morally responsible individual you seemingly are not?

The New York Times has recently come under fire for giving space to certain authors on its opinion pages, like Brett Stephens, a climate change-denier who promptly used his platform to — you guessed it — write very misleadingly about climate change, seemingly un-fact-checked. Just the other day, the founder of Blackwater, a private military contractor, published the op-ed “Contractors, Not Troops, Will Save Afghanistan.” Put aside the fact that Blackwater is notorious for being evil (please read Libby Watson’s take-down of this editorial choice, ASAP), but this is clearly a conflict of interest at an almost comical level. It’s quite baldly a sales pitch for his current company, Frontier Services Group.
So what the hell is going on? Well, the Times has made plain their efforts to open up their paper, and thus their opinion column inches, to “different” voices. This, of course, is in response to criticism that they are too left-leaning and the general feeling that woefully incomplete 2016 election coverage was caused by the media staying in its own liberal bubble. I think it’s safe to say diversifying staffs and opinions is a worthy goal.
Unfortunately, in attempting to accomplish this, the Time has forgotten its responsibility to not only publish a variety of viewpoints, but to publish factual articles that fairly represent the truth. (It’s also created an outrage-click machine, of which their analytics team is surely aware.)
I feel like this shouldn’t need to be clearly stated, but: the purpose of an editorial or opinion section is not to give an enormous platform to anyone to say whatever they please. The purpose is to offer readers a new perspective, but one that is still based in truth and supported by fact.
(Reminder: the First Amendment and “it’s a free country” give you the ability to say what you want without government censorship. It does not guarantee you dissemination of any and all information, neither by a private company nor without criticism.)
The opinion editor of every outlet has a responsibility to its readers to verify the claims of its op-ed authors and to choose those authors wisely. Because guess what? It’s possible to have a healthy, open, balanced debate where no one is lying.
If you can’t find enough op-ed authors who can build an argument based on truth, or if you don’t know when disseminating conflicts of interest dressed up as opinion will harm your readership, then you shouldn’t be running an opinion section. This is especially important in an age where readers come to articles from all over the internet, and it turns out news outlets are terrible at labeling what is opinion and what is news online.
Handing a megaphone to a liar or a salesman in sheep’s clothing isn’t “fair” and “balanced,” it’s irresponsible. But fortunately, it’s also completely unnecessary. Perhaps with enough reader push-back, or a (crossing-our-fingers) resurgence of true public editors, or (wishing-on-a-star) a rise of subscription revenues to sustainable levels, this click-based madness will end. But for now, it is my personal opinion that opinion editors be extra wary of what information they help spread and thus validate.

https://medium.com/@aubsn/the-responsibility-of-the-opinion-editor-is-to-readers-not-to-balance-c61c39f7d6fc

ANTHONY J SANTO

Hooligans, People might get tired of hearing it but “yelling fire in a crowded theater” is not protected speech.

When news outlets print incendiary stories they know to be untrue, even if merely unsubstantiated, without clearly stating the story has no factual basis, there should be some consequence.

The charge against Hunter Biden for accepting a $3m check from the widow of a Moscow mayor has been thoroughly debunked, but was spread by right-wing media with no question as to its validity. A person on this site posted the claim. If you check various outlets covering the claim it becomes clear that it is no different in motive from Trump’s attempt to extort lies about Hunter Biden from Ukrainian President Zelensky.

Every time the Big Lie is mentioned in a responsible news outlet, as in the case of the Daily Gazette, it is noted that it is a lie, as has been attested to by courts, state secretaries general and Trump’s own AG Barr. Republican Chris Krebbs, appointed by Trump, supervised election security, and said the 2020 election security was the best in history and the results were accurate.

When news outlets pretended Trump’s elections lies were valid and gave a megaphone to voices for those lies, they caused a political firestorm on 1/6. The lst amendment applies only to government, prohibiting it from restricting free speech unnecessarily. However, it is time to think about ways to stop private outlets from popularizing totally untrue stories as “news” resulting in very real violence and death.

Private companies and individuals can sue for libel, but how do we stop the media from spreading lies that lead to insurrection (1/6) or widespread sickness and death and shutdowns because lying pundits, triple vaccinated for covid, nightly claim their listeners have a right to refuse vaccination as an expression of political freedom, though that freedom is responsible for countless deaths?

Doug Hampton

Perfect letter Fred. I can’t understand how anyone would feel any different. These texts from the FOX TV hosts and his own children should be enough for any rational thinker to truly understand that what happened on Jan 6th was an atrocity on so many levels. Just move on from Trump himself , the belief system won’t go away but it’s clearly time for another Republican to take over and carry the torch. Trump belongs in prison.

Bill Wemple

Trump will never see a day in prison. Best we can hope for is him being relegated to obscurity like Nixon was after his resignation. Even if convicted of something major, he knows too much to be sent to prison where he’ll basically be a martyr to his deluded followers. He should not be allowed to leave the country and sell our national secrets as his memoirs either. Personally I’d love to see him in an orange jump suit that matches his skin tone doing the ‘perp walk’ like other white-collar criminals, but I’d seriously doubt that will ever happen. Best we can hope for is keeping him penned up safely in Mar-a-Lago, cut off from the world and bankrupt until he passes away from old age and dementia gibbering nonsense to himself. I’m surprised Melania hasn’t already flown the coop with their son so he can have a shot at a more normal life away from this narcissistic loser.

Doug Hampton

Agreed Bill. He does belong in prison and if you and I did half the things he has done , they would lock us both up and throw away the keys. Sadly that is how justice in America works. I think that Trump looking for the 11,000 votes from the Georgia governor should have been enough right there….but that’s just crazy me talking! Regarding Melania….. I listened to an interview a ways back from the author that wrote the book about her….to paraphrase….she is just like him! So no sympathy for her! I like your punishment….would just add….no more golf for the rest of his miserable life!

ANTHONY J SANTO

The letters from Fred Como, Gary J. Lessard, Fred Chambers, Paul Deierlein, and Ellen Frueh give me hope that the tide is turning, as Trump himself would say, bigly against him. It is about time. I can’t wait to hear what AG Garland has to say. Can we hope he is beginning criminal investigations into the planning and execution of 1/6 up to and including Trump and his top co-conspirators?

LOUIS RESTIFO

*I agree that they were great letters, but I still believe we’re walking on thin ice.

So upsetting that things sometimes get posted while just talking into my iPad before making any corrections!

FRED BARNEY

If had a solid handle on the economy and public health the interest in Trump would drop dramatically. But he is still pushing the supply chain clutches argument for the existence of inflation. While everyone knows or should know that supply short falls only becomes an issue when demand for goods exceed supply. In the current case the excess demand is backed up by the government printing press.

FRED BARNEY

Life in New York city 2022: Armed robbers who use guns or other deadly weapons to stick up stores and other businesses will be prosecuted only for petty larceny, a misdemeanor, provided no victims were seriously injured and there’s no “genuine risk of physical harm” to anyone. Armed robbery, a class B felony, would typically be punishable by a maximum of 25 years in prison, while petty larceny subjects offenders to up to 364 days in jail and a $1,000 fine.

A great read, Lou. Tx. For way too long our country’s been controlled by a minority due to flaws in our Constitution. It puts us now in a position not unlike NASA found itself when it finally got Hubble in place, only to find flaws in the mirror. Through some fancy math tricks and corrective lenses image clarity was restored. Our country needs the same.
If I may…
~~~
“Now the popular majority has elected to Congress and the White House a party that seeks to pass legislation protecting the right to vote, particularly among descendants of the enslaved, and the integrity of democratic elections. That democracy-promoting legislation is meant to counter the anti-democratic actions of Republican politicians, who, in 12 states, control one or both branches of the state legislature despite having won only a minority of the ballots cast or who hold power with disproportionately sized majorities far in excess of the ballots cast for them. Though the House has passed one iteration of this legislation, it seems likely that the Senate will kill any version of it — with a coalition of senators representing millions fewer citizens than the coalition that is backing the bill.”

“Should the bill get enacted into law, it will have to face the Constitution’s final counter-majoritarian test, on the Supreme Court, where it could easily be struck down by five or six of the Court’s conservative justices. All those justices were put on the Court in accordance with constitutional procedures — which is perfectly consistent with the fact that three of those justices were appointed by a president elected with fewer votes than his opponent and five of those of those justices were approved by a group of senators representing fewer voters than the senators who voted against their confirmation.”

LOUIS RESTIFO

Additionally from the link:

“While some longstanding, wealthy democracies do have upper chambers, the United States is one of the very few to grant its upper chamber equal power to its lower chamber. The extreme inequality of representation in the Senate, in which the vote of one citizen in Wyoming is equal to that of 67 citizens in California, is even more unique. The combined effect of these twin features of Congress, wrote the distinguished Yale political scientist Robert Dahl, is “to preserve and protect unequal representation” and “to construct a barrier to majority rule.”

ANTHONY J SANTO

It is truly amazing that so many undemocratic features are enshrined in our government and rooted in the Constitution itself. The electoral college has got to go. The idea that the population of Wyoming, in a democracy, has the same number of senators as California has to be changed. The filibuster must end. Is it time for a Constitutional Convention?

Guy Varoma

Republicans know if you tell a lie long enough people will believe it. That’s what they did with Hillary and Benghazi, republicans knew she was gonna run for president and that’s when they started their merciless pounding of lies, and also Uranium l same thing …I have friends that still believe all those lies even though I showed the actual facts on those subjects. Fox News to this day is still trying to push the Hunter Biden story ,,which was filled with lies I also have a friends that think Trump built the wall and Mexico paid for it in a round about way …I would have never guess in my lifetime before 2016 that these friends would be that gullible and ignorant and also racist

Doug Hampton

I concur Guy. I feel your pain as I share some of the same things with some of my friends. It’s called brainwashing and I am not even joking. I used to read a lot about the Moonies and Hara Krishna recruiting methods. I knew a girl who got abducted at Yale….scary but effective. The right has adopted many of their methods and sadly they work. The good news is that people can be saved from themselves and today we hardly hear a peep from either movement. My hope is that enough people from the right will wake up and realize that they too have been abducted and conned. Only time will tell.

William Marincic

Today is January 5 one day away from the day where the liberals heads will start to explode while calling last years January 6 an insurrection. They call it an insurrection yet no one of the hundreds of people arrested were charged with insurrection. One of the ring leaders telling people to breach the capital on multiple occasions by the name of Ray Epps was never arrested was he a provocateur hired by the FBI? The liberals posting daily in this paper will tell you that President Trump caused this riot at the capital, I guess when you tell someone to peacefully and patriotically make your voice is heard that means break into the capital building. We have a January 6 committee where Republicans were denied access to having their members of their choosing placed on the committee but instead they put two anti-Trump Republicans in name only on the committee Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney. That’s like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end. So today and tomorrow and for days ahead you will hear from the Democrats who daily post here a whole lot of alternative facts that they will tell you are true because they got them from a liberal website and that means it’s true. Take their words not with a grain of salt but with a shaker of salt.

FRED BARNEY

Does anyone expect that an unarmed mob can take over the government backed by the military? You must really think white people are dumb

Your comments continue to read like a list of grievances than having any logic. Maybe if you could address that you might be taken more seriously.
And your duplicated comment over under the Tonko article sound like a ten-year-old on a playground.

Is this really the best you can do? You do understand you’ve chosen to comment under your real name, and for all the public to see, right?

Doug Hampton

Your post is completely delusional and full of holes. 1. This was not a peaceful protest….minimally breaking and entering and people died and many were injured not to mention the damage done to the Capitol building itself. 2. President Trump did nothing to stop the violence for hours (even his own people including family members were worried). Much evidence from the RIGHT! 3. We already told you that both Cheney and Kinzinger voted with Trump over 90% of the time so politically they didn’t disagree with him so again WRONG! I always know when you and your “ilk” feel cornered like a rat because it’s always the same pathetic song….”The left wing media blah blah blah”…..My eyes are my source and I am 64 years of age and still don’t need glasses! Just pathetic

LOUIS RESTIFO

Doug, he can’t be human. Perhaps a cyber robot planted on earth by alien life with intentions of destroying humanity through experimental means of brain knotting. No human can possibly have the capability to persist so incessantly while at the same time being thrown bricks while drowning in a sea of ignorance and moral depravity. I’m beginning to believe he’s actually the real thing, not like the fictitious ones threatening humanity in the films Men in Black or The Terminator.

Doug Hampton

Yup….like I said previously in a recent post. If I am a die hard R….time to move on ….they can still hate Biden but it’s time to hand the baton off to a new messiah. This devotion to this individual is mind boggling. Let DeSantis or Paul or whomever be your guy….why Trump who belongs in prison. Just insane!

RAYMOND HARRIS

Blah blah blah. What have we said that’s not a fact? You always leave us waiting. BTW – the republicans that McCarthy recommended have now been implicated in the planning of the attack and advising Trump (e.g., double-talking Jim Jordan). They wanted to investigate everything but the insurrection.

ANTHONY J SANTO

Trump to the screaming crowd before him just before telling them he would march with them to the Capitol, which he didn’t do, probably because he expected violence and feared harm to his royal person.

“If you don’t fight like hell you’re not going to have a country.”

Examine the directive. He is telling his followers they would lose their country if they didn’t do what he told them. Losing your country is a big deal; fighting to avoid this would include justifying violence to overturn certification of Biden’s victory. In the minds of other speakers at the rally, notably Mo Brooks and Giuliani, and among the listeners, what would America be without a Trump presidency? To them, not their country.

LOUIS RESTIFO

I earlier posted the complete video of “He’s Alive” season 4 episode 4 of the Twilight Zone, originally written in 1963 by Rod Serling. The following portion of the script is is as relevant as anything can be regarding the Trump movement of today. This part of the script is where the ghost of Hitler is talking to “a bush league Fuhrer name Peter Vollmer.” (AKA Donald Trump)

You said that you had something to talk about.
I do, I do indeed.
I have you to talk about, and the things you believe in, which are the things I believe in, as well.
Your success, Mr. Vollmer, will be my success.
Go on.
Good.
Let us start by your learning what are the dynamics of a crowd.
How do you move a mob, mr. Vollmer?
How do you excite them?
How do you make them feel as one with you?
I-I don’t know. How?
Join them first, Mr. Vollmer.
Join them?
Yes, when you speak to them, speak to them as if you were a member of the mob.
Speak to them in their language, on their level.
Make their hate your hate.
If they are poor, talk to them of poverty.
If they are afraid, talk to them of their fears.
And if they are angry, mr. Vollmer, if they are angry, give them objects for their anger.
But most of all, the thing that is most of the essence, Mr. Vollmer, is that you make this mob an extension of yourself.
Say to them things like…
Things like…
“they call us hatemongers.
“they say we’re prejudiced.
“they say we’re biased.
“they say we hate minorities… minorities.
“understand the term, neighbors:
“Minorities.
“should I tell you who are the minorities?
“should I tell you?
“we…!
We are the minorities!” that way, Mr. Vollmer.
Start it that way.
I… Understand.
~
If this isn’t spot on nothing Is.

ANTHONY J SANTO

It sounds so much like a conversation between Hitler and Trump that it is downright spooky. Rod Serling was giving us a warning. Let’s pay attention to that as we sit here about 60 years away from that warning.

William weakly chooses ONE thing 45 said (to cover his butt) and ignores the rest of that speech and MONTHS of inciteful rhetoric, along with constant undermining of the election he lost–fair and square!
INSURRECTION–a violent uprising against an authority or government” which is exactly what 45 promoted as he watched gleefully while everyone begged him for help for
ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY SEVEN MINUTES.
How can you defend this, William?

As usual, no defense! There was a War Room (Control Center), Navarro comes right out and explains the coup attempt as if that’s normal and is OK, fox hosts and Military personnel were rightfully worried about what was about to happen, and even I predicted 45 was part of a coup attempt. It really isn’t hard to understand if you’re paying attention, but you are an ostrich…except your head is somewhere other than in the sand!

And so many of 45 supporters told the judges that trump sent them, they were there because of HIM. The true insurrectionists are at the top, the ones who planned it (45, Bannon, Navarro, etc), not the stooges who were lied to and used by the pussy in chief who always gets others to do his dirty work. Now they are admitting that they were fooled, but are paying heavy consequences.

LOUIS RESTIFO

William, you’re very much like the church you so believe in:

“Take from the church the miraculous, the supernatural, the incomprehensible, the unreasonable, the impossible, the unknowable, the absurd, and nothing but a vacuum remains.”
Robert G. Ingersoll, The Ghosts and Other Lectures

Bill Wemple

I thought it was more like ‘take away all the hot air and BS and all you’d be left with is an empty suit’. 🙂

FRED BARNEY

You can also say that about temple worshipers. Perhaps we would all be better off if we devoted our efforts at suggesting concrete improvements in the world, we are trying to live in.

ANTHONY J SANTO

One other thing is left: a scammer trying to fleece the gullible. With his ‘tools’ taken away he has nothing to work with. That is why Evangelicals fear science. It takes from them ‘the miraculous,the supernatural, the unreasonable, the impossible, the absurd’; leaving them exposed with nothing to show but their utter uselessness.

Florida2015

Remember when Michael Cohen was testifying before Congress. He told us then former guy spoke in mafia speak. Never came out and said what he wanted his subjects to do, but was very clear in how he said it so there was no misunderstanding what he wanted them to do. Deniability I believe it’s called. His defense I,m sure as we see it’s burned into folks like William’s brain he did not say go and attack the Capitol and stop the counting. Therefore he can’t be guilty for emboldening the insurrectionists.
Seen a post referencing “How was Al Capone finally arrested and jailed?” Taxes, just saying.

Florida2015

William, Are you for punishing the “tourist” who vandalized the Capitol or not? Kind confused.
You posted this yesterday It do and have always condemned anyone that went illegally into the Capital just like most Republicans has. There are lots of questions that need answering, like why was Ashlee Babbitt shot and why don’t we have the name of the shooter and a statement? 
Then today post.
Today is January 5 one day away from the day where the liberals heads will start to explode while calling last years January 6 an insurrection. They call it an insurrection yet no one of the hundreds of people arrested were charged with insurrection.

Last post to your asking about the terrorist Ashlee Babbit. This was widely covered by the MSM back in August, your trusted Revolver, Fox Entertainment, OAN and Newsmax must have missed it.

The Capitol Police officer who shot Babbitt, Lt. Michael Byrd, said in a televised interview in August that he fired as a “last resort.” When he pulled the trigger, he said, he had no idea whether the person jumping through the window was armed.The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia cleared Byrd of wrongdoing in April, concluding that he acted in self-defense and in the defense of members of Congress. The U.S. Capitol Police announced in August that they had also cleared Byrd.“I tried to wait as long as I could,” Byrd said. “I hoped and prayed no one tried to enter through those doors. But their failure to comply required me to take the appropriate action to save the lives of members of Congress and myself and my fellow officers.”

Guy Varoma

I wonder what they would call January 6th if it was Trump who won and the BLM breached the Capitol to stop the official tally of each States electoral votes. Which is in the constitutional obligation. Would they use the word insurrection and Treason ? Or would they still call it a protest ?

William Marincic

Well if it was BLM that breached the capital that would mean that it’s an organized plot which is much different than what happened on January 6 as much as you people put your blinders on about it. Maybe a dozen people there about actually did anything inside the capital besides walk around and look inside the chamber. I’m not condoning that, everyone should be tried for whatever they did and pay a price. But those 450 riots during the summer of peace, those people should have to pay a price too

Doug Hampton

They are both going with Play # 5 meaning the first 4 excuses for the attack got no traction! Play # 5 is that because they didn’t use guns that it doesn’t count as a real insurrection! Major WOW…..and if that wasn’t bad enough Fred Flinstone thinks that we are all racists and think that white people are dumb! You can’t make this stuff up folks! As Ralph Kramden always said….It’s a regular riot Alice! Madness!!!!

Guy Varoma

The narrative that they didn’t do anything to the rioters around the country is another falsehood…People were arrested in every State they broke the law. Did some people get away with it, I’m sure where there were some. Once the Insurrectionists passed the barricades they were breaking the law at the Capitol…William tries to deflect by using people of color as scapegoats. He is basically saying the black man did this so we should be able to too without repercussions. He should at least have 12 1/2 % sympathy for His African American brothers and their struggles …I could boil this down in a nutshell though. They are still upset Trump lost ….Bigly

As far as I can tell, these are just the Washington, DC insurgents.

Suspects (Charged) – Total Count: 706
Of those…
Suspects (Indicted) – Total Count: 347
Suspects (Deceased) – Total Count: 2
Suspects (Dismissed) – Total Count: 1
Suspects (Convicted) – Total Count: 172
Suspects (Sentenced) – Total Count: 74

https://seditiontracker.com

Some speech writer wrote a speech to try to make people forget what a loser Biden is. He is a feeble failure. November can’t come fast enough and I hope that the Republicans finally grow a set and play the same game as the democrats. I hope they impeach Biden and remove him then impeach Kamala and remove her and the Republican Speaker can take over until 2024. You reap what you sow. I guess then you’ll be sorry that you had your two phony impeachment on President Trump. Don’t think it can’t happen, Ted Cruz is already talking about it.

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